Age of Empires 1 civilizations tier list

I agree with most of what you said. Like I stated before, I only consider Shang and Assyrians to be the best civs if the game is played with random map + standard resources + starting in Stone Age. In Death Match settings, Shang and Assyrians are below average. Strongest Death Match civs would be those that have access to superior and fully upgraded siege units. Romans, Minoans, Hittites, Carthaganians, Greeks,... are all very good Death Match civs.

About Babylonians, they seem like a very average civs to me, both in RM and DM. They have almost no significant bonuses. They have every unit but no units shine except for their priests. If you like the priests + chariots combo, nothing beats Egyptian (fast gold miners, priests +3 range, and strongest chariots in the game).

Minoan compies are insanely powerful, true that. But generally speaking, compies are not mobile, and are more vulnerable to ambush as compared to Chariot Archers. Allow me to explain that. With their fast speed, Chariot Archers can retreat and wait for quick reinforcement if the situations do not favor them. Compies, on the other hand, cannot. If the compies are caught on their way to enemy's base, they are dead meat because they cannot retreat and reinforcement, more often than not, arrives too late. On a side note, Egyptian and Hittite chariots (with Nobility researched) have no problem taking compies on. If you are interested, watch this game between professional players. It started as a 2 vs. 2 game which later became a 1 vs. 1 match between Minoans and Egyptians. Keep in mind that these players do not build walls and towers because the laws by which they play forbid those structures. They can only "wall" their base with houses and buildings. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwcpI1rIQIU&list=PLF9CAlAz_mALvY7noUUXoEwGWpUuu6ExU&index=5

1,Top Tier(Best civs in RM)
-Hittite(obvious....)
-Assyria(fast villagers,excellent rush civ)
-Shang(cheap villagers)
-Yamato(fast villagers,cheaper cavalry)

2,High Tier(These also very good just little behind of top ones)
-Egypt
-Rome
-Minoan
-Phoenicia

3,Medium(Not the strongest but okay civs)
-Persia
-Babylonia
-Macedonia
-Sumeria

4,Low(Big disadvantage choosing them in RM)
-Greek(they have nothing till iron even in iron they lack usefull bonuses,but most importantly archery very weak, a real achivment to win RM with this civ)
-Carthage(weak early age,their bonuses useless in RM)
-Choson(weak archery and not very useful bonuses in early game)
-Palmyra(expensive villagers its crippling peneltaty in RM which hard to overcome)

Feel free to contrubite)

IMO Assy, Egy and Shang is quite equal at the top. Then there's always phoenicia, minoans and persians who are strong depending on what map you play.

Romans is among the weakest unless you're turtling, but it wouldn't really pay off unless you're very good at it.

Shang is prefer to be use at version 1.0 by Asians because their cheap villager cost you can start with a pit start gazelle but in 1.0a Shang is different I mean making a pit start could fail. Shang can do really good at water maps rather than Hill Country because their pit start is not efficient as 1.0 version.

Carth has camels and good at sea and palmyran is the best civilization like Assyrian Asians use alot of palmyran you only need to make between 18 to 22 villagers to win with palmyran but not good as a team game unless you turtle with them.

Roman is one of the best they can do pit starts control navy do a good tool rush. Many pits for gold and wood for farm.

Greeks has hoplites and calvaries they do better than Macedonian Unless you are playing Hills probably you need more farms and farms upgrade to make calvary win over chariots and alternative expansion more berries and more hunting.

I think Macedonians are low tiers while Romans are medium and Babylonians high.

I assume this list is for water maps and not hill country. I would still prefer to move Palmyra and Sumeria upwards, while moving Romans a bit down.

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Pineapplefish
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Greeks vs Macedonian a Hill Country match.

Greeks would win faster hoplites, better calvary, calvary better than composite bowman. Even though Macedonian stone throwers are quite effective and cheap I mean they are about the same level of civilization but Greeks got the clear advantange Macedonian can't run unlike Greeks can travel around the map and survive. A well play and good map from Macedonia can kill Greeks if they go defense just composite bowman and stone thrower boom economy villager.

The correct way to pop calvary is to make alot of farms and have many villagers and you need to have farms upgraded so you don't depend too much on wood. Also have a good gold like upgraded mining gold and good expansions more animals and berries.

Most civilizations are about the same however, the difference is very little I would totally depend on the player skill's and decision not too much on each different civilization because the game you can win over popping alot of broadswordman after you tool rush him; there are many alternatives to win the game.

Top 5 Hill Country civilization a normal KOR or Usual settings no rules

1. Assyrian
2. Palmyran
3. Hittite
4. Egyptian
5. Shang

Top 6 Continental or medit Usual settings no rules no reveal map

1. Hittite
2. Minoan
3. Phoenician
4. Roman
5. Shang
6. Palmyran

How come you rank Romans so highly on the second list? The building bonus isn't such a huge boost to the economy, the only real benefits they have are cheap towers in tool and early Bronze and a flexible tech tree. Personally I would at least rank Palmyra and Yamato above them, as the increased ship HP is a great bonus on any water map.

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Pineapplefish
Cleidopus gloriamaris

Romans can get pit at wood 105 instead of 120 that means extra wood cheaper docks and cheaper houses. Unlike Yamato the extra HP won't do much against 2 more war galleys from Roman it is obviously even. They are alike though but Roman can do alot of expansion pits for gold and trees.

By the time you bronze and then later make a government and more TC Town Center more expansion means better more wood, food, gold and stone. Roman also at ROR Trial was the choice of civilization they are still one of the best. Palmyran can do like Roman but I think Romans are faster than Palmyran on water map at Hills it is different Palmyran could beat them.

More villagers equal more economy and win the game Roman, Palmyra, Assyrian, and Shang can do alot of villagers however, that doesn't make Shang invincible as the resources by some time it is an equal fight of 28 vs 28 or 28 vs 29 or 30. So, the resources won't do much they will be around the same that makes most civilizations balance for a short time however, the powerful attack from Assyrian or probably Minoan and Phoenician spam boat faster or Hittite outrange sea.

[This message has been edited by plismo (edited 07-03-2012 @ 12:11 PM).]

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