Prototype Rancour vs the Flute Kaeya

Q: Is The Flute good with Kaeya?

If you cant focus on Energy Recharge, the key with Kaeya is to focus on his high damage numbers. The Flute is useful for this because it adds a Harmonic to his Normal and Charged Attacks with each hit.

Q: Is Prototype Rancour good for Kaeya?

8 The Prototype Rancour – Four Star Kaeyas Base Attack will increase between 44 and 565 based on his level, and his Physical Damage bonus bumps up between 7.5 and 34.5 percent as the secondary stat.

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My Kaeya's Atk is 1400, should I equip Flute or focus on his physical dmg with Refinement 2 Prototype Rancour?

level 1

In my opinion, the Flute is the better option (between the two) on a Cryo Kaeya build with Chongyun infusing Kaeya's normal attacks with Cryo.

On a physical build, the Prototype Rancour has an edge. But both weapons performance are quite similar on a physical build.

level 2

c1 kaeya here. Still flute is the best option? Because i dont have his c2. Sorry i forgot to mention i got his c1

level 1

I'll try the flute and report back. I have a c1 kaeya and a God roll phys damage artifact so I'm running him as a phys damage. I have a flute and a rancor and assumed the rancor would outperform. But I just literally before posting this got my crit damage crown (only purple though) and my frost flower. So i can finally play around.

level 2

So on abyss floor 4 chamber 1 u tested both the flute and the rancor out (both refinement 1) and I got virtually the same results. Strangely enough even the skyward blade felt pretty much the same as these. I know my up time on my burst and everything isn't as good as it should be but I feel like you can use any of the 4* or better swords u have and still perform rather ok. As the strongest non Ganyu cryo dps this is kinda what your stuck with as no sword is really built for this aside from the Aquila. As much fun as this build is im hoping and waiting for a character to use either of the two new craft weapons.

level 1

Is he a main dps or support/sub dps?

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Prototype Rancour or The Flute?

XenoSUzukie 1 year ago#1

Got The Flute recently. 30 seconds of 100% bonus damage seems really good! I currently already have maxed lv90 R2 Prototype Rancour.

Which of these 2 at max level would do more damage for a physical damage superconduct main? R1 The Flute or R2 Prototype Rancour?

Thanks in advance!

EAims 1 year ago#2

Hmmm I just assumed the 5 harmonics 100% atk damage went away after it procced. Can anyone confirm if it hits multiple times within the 30s? Because that's a damn great passive if it does.

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XenoSUzukie (Topic Creator)1 year ago#3

EAims posted...

Hmmm I just assumed the 5 harmonics 100% atk damage went away after it procced. Can anyone confirm if it hits multiple times within the 30s? Because that's a damn great passive if it does.

This^^ I also don't know. By the wording it seems to imply that it stays up during the 30 seconds but I could be way off and getting confused on the translation. If it's just once though I quess Rancour is much better.

zoderos 1 year ago#4

You can proc the passive multiple times during the 30 secs.

EDIT: Just to clarify, because after rereading the thread I think you guys got the wrong idea. After you reach 5 harmonics, the passive procs dealing dmg, but then your harmonics are gone and you start from 0 again. If you thought that after reaching 5 harmonics you get +100% atk dmg on every hit, then obviously not, because that would be extremely broken and would catapult it to the top of the sword list.

XenoSUzukie (Topic Creator)1 year ago#5

zoderos posted...

You can proc the passive multiple times during the 30 secs.

Really!? Thanks! It's so expensive to level a weapon to 90 though. So really torn on whether I should with Rancour already at max but if it's damage output is better then Bennett could use my Rancour. He currently has Sword of Decention lol.

EAims 1 year ago#6

zoderos posted...

You can proc the passive multiple times during the 30 secs.
EDIT: Just to clarify, because after rereading the thread I think you guys got the wrong idea. After you reach 5 harmonics, the passive procs dealing dmg, but then your harmonics are gone and you start from 0 again. If you thought that after reaching 5 harmonics you get +100% atk dmg on every hit, then obviously not, because that would be extremely broken and would catapult it to the top of the sword list.

Yeah the edit was what I had a question about. I didn't think that was the case because like you said that'd be pretty broken. Thanks for clarification.

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XenoSUzukie (Topic Creator)1 year ago#7

zoderos posted...

You can proc the passive multiple times during the 30 secs.
EDIT: Just to clarify, because after rereading the thread I think you guys got the wrong idea. After you reach 5 harmonics, the passive procs dealing dmg, but then your harmonics are gone and you start from 0 again. If you thought that after reaching 5 harmonics you get +100% atk dmg on every hit, then obviously not, because that would be extremely broken and would catapult it to the top of the sword list.

Cool! Thanks for clarifying! That does make sense! There's still the question of which one has better damage output when used on the same character at max level with a atk%/phy dmg/critR build with constant superconduct. With high speed normal and charge attacks spam.

TheHumanHumour 1 year ago#8

XenoSUzukie posted...

Cool! Thanks for clarifying! That does make sense! There's still the question of which one has better damage output when used on the same character at max level with a atk%/phy dmg/critR build with constant superconduct. With high speed normal and charge attacks spam.

For whom you want it?

I had the same dilemma but with Lion Roar and Black Sword too for Keqing and BS was by far the most recommended.

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sapuramura 1 year ago#9

Rancour for physical main dps and on main dps in general because as you do auto attacks you get stacks that make your damage even bigger as you fight.
Flute is more useful on a support whose skill and/or burst scales off the attack stat. If that is all you need of course, like there's nothing better than flute if all you care about bigger number on attack stat which is more healing on Qiqi, more attack to give to others via Bennet.

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Busard 1 year ago#10

I'll skip the long answer because which is better depends on your character moveset and combo (the rate at which he can gather harmonic because of the 0.5s internal cooldown) and the character multipliers (which depends on the talent level). Also, Prototype Rancour's higher base attack and second stat are it's strongest points and it doesn't benefit much from refinement (barely a 5% increase in damage between R1 and R5). But for the Flute, refinement can mean a good increase in damage depending on the character moveset and his multipliers.

Anyway, the short answer is:

Prototype Rancour R1 is usually better than Flute R1 (unless you have low attack multipliers)
Flute R5 can be better than Prototype Rancour R5 (depending on character)

So for you, Prototype Rancour R2 is probably better (and would still have been at R1 in all likelihood). If you get extra Flutes later, maybe it'll become better depending on your character but right now, the Prototype Rancour should be better.

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Prototype Rancour or The Flute?

Is Prototype Rancour or The Flute better for Kaeya?

Anyway, the short answer is: Prototype Rancour R1 is usually better than Flute R1 (unless you have low attack multipliers) Flute R5 can be better than Prototype Rancour R5 (depending on character)

Is The Flute good with Kaeya?

If you can't focus on Energy Recharge, the key with Kaeya is to focus on his high damage numbers. The Flute is useful for this because it adds a Harmonic to his Normal and Charged Attacks with each hit.

Is Prototype Rancour good for Kaeya?

8 The Prototype Rancour – Four Star Kaeya's Base Attack will increase between 44 and 565 based on his level, and his Physical Damage bonus bumps up between 7.5 and 34.5 percent as the secondary stat.

Who should use The Flute in Genshin?

So far, Qiqi, Jean and Keqing are the only Genshin Impact characters that greatly benefit from equipping The Flute. It is not the best for off-field sub DPS such as Xingqiu, as the passive will not be able to trigger effectively.