8th gen civic si vs focus st

I know the specs on the Focus ST are better (252 HP and 270 LB-FT) than the SI, but sometimes numbers don't matter. So what do you guys think? who would be faster from a dig start? or how about acceleration? and how about top end?

Comparing them on a drag race or twisty track?

Stock to stock I think ST will win in either case.

They trap higher speeds. There just isn't much way around it unless you have a driver with a missing right foot. From what I've seen in regards to lap times, etc, it seems the ST has the SI beat also. For what it's worth, at least the SI has a real LSD. lol. =X

so many car companies coming out with great sport compact cars...I think HOnda needs to step up a little bit more. Bring back a s2000 concept!!! LOL power of DREAMS

The ST beats the Si in every performance category, hands down.

Honda doesn't need a RWD design to be competitive, all they need to do is throw a small turbo in the car and it would instantly be competitive again. If they put the K23 from the 1st gen RDX in the 8thgen chassis, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. 240 hp, 260 lb ft, and a real LSD.

BUT, Honda is still sticking with the N/A design for some reason, and that's why they are a bottom feeder in the class now. Honda rested on their laurels while everybody else embodied the emerging technologies, and Honda has gone from top of the class, to back-marker over a period of about 10 years...

The ST beats the Si in every performance category, hands down.

Honda doesn't need a RWD design to be competitive, all they need to do is throw a small turbo in the car and it would instantly be competitive again. If they put the K23 from the 1st gen RDX in the 8thgen chassis, we wouldn't even be having this conversation right now. 240 hp, 260 lb ft, and a real LSD.

BUT, Honda is still sticking with the N/A design for some reason, and that's why they are a bottom feeder in the class now. Honda rested on their laurels while everybody else embodied the emerging technologies, and Honda has gone from top of the class, to back-marker over a period of about 10 years...

Eh barely. I bet a bolt-on Si could take the ST. And I'm a Ford guy at heart.

Eh barely. I bet a bolt-on Si could take the ST. And I'm a Ford guy at heart.

Ehh, maybe. But I'm not comparing a modified vehicle to a stock one.

Also, the ST is a far newer car, and incorporate a lot more technology in the cabin, along with those awesome Recaro seats.

In C&D's lightning lap the 2006 Civic Si achieved a time of 3:26.5. A 2008 Mugen did the same course in 3:24.8. A 2012 Si did it in 3:24.1. The ST also did in 3:24.1, BUT that was after only the warm up day, as they didn't get a chance to run the car on the 2nd day, often when the fastest times are set.

Here is what they had to say about the ST:

"This car should be quicker. What held back the Focus ST, ultimately, was not any performance or design limitation, but a keyless ignition system that allowed one of us to drive off with the key left on the roof. The fob fell off and ended its life in several small pieces, so the ST missed the second day of lapping when we often log the quickest times. The perpetrator has been consigned to a '92 Taurus with a broken driver's doorhandle until we deem otherwise.

We did divine during our limited exposure that the Focus ST is a blast. Steering, at 1.8 turns lock-to-lock, is lightning (lap)-quick, but the chassis responds even faster than a thunderclap. It's so neutral that you can attack corners almost as you would in a rear-drive car. It allows you to apply post-apex throttle so much earlier than in other front-drivers that it feels as if the ST were tuned specifically for our impatience.

Even so, the Focus surprised us with its lack of pace in the early rounds. Two shortcomings stand out. First, the brake-based limited-slip differential doesn't hold up to track abuse. On numerous corners, the ST would spin its inside front wheel, signifying time being lost due to the power bleeding off in wheelspin. A traditional, purely mechanical limited-slip might work better. Second, the ST's maximum torque of 252 pound-feet is due in part to a temporary overboost function that lasts a maximum of 20 seconds. Over the course of a 201.4-second lap, the Focus spends most of its time with lower midrange power that results in slower acceleration than its peak output ratings suggest. Taken all together, we believe the ST's ultimate potential is at least a few seconds quicker. Maybe next year.

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TL;DR
- The ST does spin its inside wheel due to the lack of a true LSD, however they feel that it is easily capable of lopping off another couple of seconds. This would make it quicker than any Si that they have tested ('06, '08, '12).

Honda stopped caring a long time ago about keeping up. That's why I went to Toyota/Scion. If you aren't going to make the car fast, might as well make it RWD and fun. If you want a fast FWD sport compact, go with the Focus ST or Mazdaspeed 3.

I'd rather have my current 2007 FA5.

Eh barely. I bet a bolt-on Si could take the ST. And I'm a Ford guy at heart.

And I bet a ST with a few bolt-ons would walk over the same Si. What's your point?

Oh no doubt, but the suspension set up in the ST paired with its power advantage make it way faster than an Si around a track.

And I bet a ST with a few bolt-ons would walk over the same Si. What's your point?

His point is that the 8th gen Si is the fastest and greatest car in the history of the automobile.

Did you forget? Bolt-on Si beats EVERYTHING!

Oh no doubt, but the suspension set up in the ST paired with its power advantage make it way faster than an Si around a track.

Sounds like Ford's gimmicks and marketing campaings have successfully worked on you.

Its a 270ft-lb, fwd car with an open diff and skinny tires. If anything, it is poorly set up for tack use, and a bad decision on Ford's part.

Sounds like Ford's gimmicks and marketing campaings have successfully worked on you.

Its a 270ft-lb, fwd car with an open diff and skinny tires. If anything, it is poorly set up for tack use, and a bad decision on Ford's part.

This doesn't mean that people won't take it to the track. The tires would be replaced anyways, as any OEM tire on a hopped-up ecobox are utter sh*t. So just get some wider, stickier tires which would do WONDERS for how the car would perform.

Still, people will take it to the track and have fun with it, and it will beat an Si around a track.

This doesn't mean that people won't take it to the track. The tires would be replaced anyways, as any OEM tire on a hopped-up ecobox are utter sh*t. So just get some wider, stickier tires which would do WONDERS for how the car would perform.

Still, people will take it to the track and have fun with it, and it will beat an Si around a track.

The stickier the tires are, the worse the inside wheelspin will be at the track.

The only two options to reduce inside wheelspin are to add an LSD, or remove the front swaybar.

The stickier the tires are, the worse the inside wheelspin will be at the track.

Do you mind explaining why this is, since one would think that a stickier tire with a higher coefficient of friction would have a harder time spinning...

Also, with a wider tire you would increase your limit of adhesion WRT lateral acceleration, allowing you to carry more speed in a corner, reducing understeer

Do you mind explaining why this is, since one would think that a stickier tire with a higher coefficient of friction would have a harder time spinning...

Also, with a wider tire you would increase your limit of adhesion WRT lateral acceleration, allowing you to carry more speed in a corner, reducing understeer

More grip means more body roll, more body roll means more pressure on the front swaybar. The front swaybar is tugging on the inside front tire, reducing its weight applied to the ground.

I drive a car with open diffs, and r-comps make the wheelspin worse.

I also drive a FWD car on street tires with an open diff, and have removed the front swaybar to combat wheelspin.

His point is that the 8th gen Si is the fastest and greatest car in the history of the automobile.

Did you forget? Bolt-on Si beats EVERYTHING!

Hey what about how cheap is to mod a SI :deadhorse::hitit: